You could say that if Big J was really supporting the org, then the GB wouldn't have to go begging for money...but only if you wanted to make a quick exit by being d/fed!
Half banana
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Looking for ideas.
by Driving Force ini received an email from one of the elder in the local congregation.
i am not dfed so there is not a problem there, i am just an aggressive fader.. one of the last things i said to this elder before i stopped all activities was that i do not agree with the borg taking all the assets from the congregations.. here is what the elder said in the email:.
"i recently saw something while looking through the jw broadcasting for the month of may and i though about you.
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How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?
by Zoos ini flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .
they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.
then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.
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Half banana
This is a fact: there was no global flood in the last ten thousand years. The basis for this statement is because there is no evidence for a global flood, none whatever. There is evidence for climate change which as I said earlier gave rise to flood myths but the story of Noah is a fable.
There is extremely good evidence that there was NOT a global flood.The last ten thousand years of geological studies during this Holocene period is very well known by earth scientists and has so much data that we can be completely confident that there was no Biblical flood. As Kaik mentions there are no breaks in the also well recorded archaeological data. The Egyptian records run continuously through the period the Bible reports there was a global flood. How much more evidence does a person need? If you believe in the Biblical flood you are a naive and superstitious person.
As ex-JWs we must get used to the fact that the Bible is a book of folk myth, it is not inspired, it is not the word of any god.
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How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?
by Zoos ini flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .
they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.
then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.
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Half banana
I suggest the reason that there were myths myth of floods found in all inhabited continents was because of the need to explain the reason why it began to rain so much after the last ice age. There was no Noah’s Flood; it is just one of the myriad folk tales found in the earliest literature as an echo of the phenomenon of global warming and its natural consequence; the new experience of voluminous rain which had not occurred even within folk memory of earth’s inhabitants twelve thousand years ago. During the last global thermal minimum between twenty thousand and eleven thousand years ago, a large amount of the earth’s free water had been bound up frozen in the arctic and Antarctic ice sheets.
With the melting of the enlarged ice-caps (beginning about 14,000 years ago) which had accumulated during the arctic freeze of the last ice age, the sea levels began to rise dramatically as the ice evaporated and water vapour became airborne. Floods most definitely occurred and land bridges were drowned including the connection between northern France and England which existed up till about 8400 years ago if memory serves right.
To get a proper handle on anything: stop believing in the truthfulness of the Bible. The Bible is pre-scientific superstition. The question of " how much sediment" makes no sense unless there was a Noachian flood...which was both physically impossible and for all the catastrophic impact it would have had is not recorded at all by the earth sciences. Further to that , it happened so the Bible says, in historic time and as others have said;there is no mention of it. It's a myth!
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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END
by FusionTheism inthe watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!
" article:.
paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?
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Half banana
It wouldn’t be so bad if the Bible was God’s word. But the Bible is a flawed and mainly Roman Catholic fraud.
It wouldn’t be so bad if Jesus was actually God’s son. But he was the Jewish name given to an old saviour myth with cult appeal to both Jews and non-Jews.
It wouldn’t be so bad if there truly was an end to the worst things in the world... and although science and technology have greatly improved our lives, for the moment there is no hope of immortality or world peace. We just have to appreciate what we have and make the best of our short life on a beautiful planet.
In the mean time, doomsday cults fleece their flock on the basis of a never arriving dream of a never coming kingdom...the poor and uneducated devoting their lives to a confidence trick... just like early Jesus cults did nearly two thousand years ago.
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Bro Loesch's talk.
by New day inrecently i heard through video link to our kh a talk by bro loesch where he attacked university study (again) but this time he prefaced his remarks by saying, and i quote, "the faithful slave does not forbid you to go to university.
" so this was a bad start as his following remarks made it clear that this was just a way of seeming reasonable while basically saying that we shouldn't do it.
he went on to use an illustration i think he has used before about a man with ocd who decided to kill himself.
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Half banana
Quite right Heaven, there is nothing as lethal to Watchtower dogma as critical thinking... which is the bread and butter of university study.
It is hardly surprising that the GB don’t want their flock to get an education. Cult religion is the preserve of the poor and uneducated.
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Is Prophecy important?
by EA916 inhello, i am certainly new to all of this.
i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?
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Half banana
Prophecy as sold by modern religion has the lure of magic. Prophecy was intended for the illiterate. Prophecy was the tool in trade of soothsayers to give the ignorant a thing to marvel at but like the JW cult, it is just guesswork since nobody can predict the future and nobody ever did.
In other words it is a complete waste of time.
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I left the troof behind in 2006. What have I missed?
by Jehovah lol ini'm up to date with what the wt taught in 2006 but have no idea what has changed since.. do tell..
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Half banana
For the sake of absolute clarity:
The true FDS class are now going to be ruptured before the other anointed get their way. The generation of 1914 have been already overcrapped by those who came later and Armageddon will definitely arrive, immediately afterwards, like within 150 years (unless that is not convenient). So the faithful will get the reward of perpetual servitude under the GB so long as they answer up at the Watchtower study which now forbids any personal opinions or insights. All that is required to be a JW is to be able to read and praise the GB... but thinking is no longer permitted. Anyone with private thoughts at odds with the newly divine Governing Body is taken out to have their brains removed by the Bethel doctor. It is now compulsory to be permanently in debt to the JW org as a statement of worship. Everything is now “new light” since everything was wrong before but we must all thank and pray to the Governing Body since the new light seems to be coming out from their trousers.
I hope this explains the recent changes in the org.
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Why God is an untenable concept
by Half banana inaround three thousand two hundred years ago a tiny tribe of desert pastoralists were called israelites for the first time.
by assuming this name it acknowledged, as was the custom, the name of a god el..
el was a chief sort of god and he had a fabled number of seventy sons including yahweh.
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Half banana
Once we distance ourselves from the Borg many of us look for a succinct description of the great hoax we lived under and I admit I’m in that category! Fukitol, you have arrived at a pretty good one there; a ”pious fraud by a priestcraft.”
“Prologos , yes BS is most appropriate for a bovine idol...hadn’t thought of that!
James T, indeed the immense “disconnect”.
I would be most interested to hear any JW defend this indefensible chasm which exists between the partisan folk origins of Big J and the prevailing perception.
My take on the implications is that it demonstrates the nature of the Biblical texts that they are merely the religio – political adulation of their divine mascot. Israel being a tiny province with a small population (don’t believe what the Bible boasts on this point) with limited natural resources, surrounded by very powerful neighbours. Their only escape was in the hope of their puny God defeating the more powerful Gods. The power of Egypt’s Gods were feared because the empire was so strong, the Gods of the weak tribes being regarded as impotent. Yahweh was a lesser God and hence the naive god competition in 1Kings 18. (Elijah, Jah and Baal)
This did not prevent the underdogs from imagining some celestial victory in their favour and the hope beyond hope of rhetorical bluster is the basis for much of the Hebrew writings.
But to believe it today and base your very life on it... is...like Jehovah... absurd.
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Why God is an untenable concept
by Half banana inaround three thousand two hundred years ago a tiny tribe of desert pastoralists were called israelites for the first time.
by assuming this name it acknowledged, as was the custom, the name of a god el..
el was a chief sort of god and he had a fabled number of seventy sons including yahweh.
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Half banana
Around three thousand two hundred years ago a tiny tribe of desert pastoralists were called Israelites for the first time. By assuming this name it acknowledged, as was the custom, the name of a god “El”.
El was a chief sort of god and he had a fabled number of seventy sons including Yahweh. Yahweh would probably have been a wooden idol and from stone reliefs of the time we know he sat with his consort Ashera and was depicted with crescent shaped horns. I suggest from the relief and other evidence that these horns were those of the extinct giant ox called aurochs. They are shown as fitted to a band which was then attached to the idol’s head. In silhouette they look like the crescent of a new moon which indicated he was a moon god. Male Moon gods are much rarer than female but were found in Egypt,the Levant and also in India.
Behold the first Jehovah an ox headed wooden idol!
The Bible makes great theatre with its story of disobedient sons of Israel casting a golden bovine Jehovah in the myth of law making after the Exodus. This never happened as far as anyone knows but is a didactic tale to reinforce the development of hating all other gods and elevating the idea of an invisible divinity. The new idea on the block is not monotheism but monolatry or henotheism; the recognition that there are other gods but the worship of only one in particular.
From this position eventually the Jewish God and his attributes, ever evolving, became adopted by the early Christ cults of the early centuries of the Common Era.
My point is this: how could it be that a local tribal cult idol becomes the almighty creator god of the universe?
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Half banana
Steve, I had a similar awakening; everything in the garden was going to be lovely then I suddenly realised that it was to be forever under the thumb of a bunch of narcissist tyrant princes.That completely destroyed the dream for me.